mbawa2574
07-07 07:56 PM
IV core leadership has to change and so is the stratergy. Current Lobbying efforts have clearly not worked out. I call for elections to elect the new core team. All these conference calls and inaction is just wastage of time and things are getting worse. We need an aggressive stratergy and may need to take names and hit people openly to get our agenda pushed. IV leadership clearly lacks these skills.
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kris04
08-18 06:17 PM
:confused:Hi all,
I have a situation,
I joined employer A and substituted labor with 2004 priority date. And it has been approved already, my understanding is labor substitution is nothing but filing I 140 but with some one else labor.
My current situation is, I got a perm job and have approached company attorney and she saying / asking, since this is labor substitution case, so, I need to have letter from employer �A� saying that labor used for me was initially filed for person X and he later left the company. Hence that has been used for me.
This is required to prove that there is no fraud happened while filing my case.
As you all know, in this current situation, I can not go back and ask employer �A� about that letter.
Any suggestions etc please provide.
Just to remember
REQUEST A SET OF COPIES WHEN EVER ATTORNEY FILING / FOLLOW UP ANY RFE etc FOR YOU. IRRESPECTIVE WHETHER YOU PAY OR COMPLANY PAYS GC FEES
Thanks,
Are you trying to port your job and join the potential new employer using EAD or transfer H1B visa?, I am surprised an immigration attorney is asking for such letter, labor substitution is/was always done in good faith in most cases, but there is no way to prove a fraud is involved unless the labor was filed using a non-existent person( if you remember the convicted guy Nick Mandelapa which ultimately lead to closing the abuse of labor substitution).Even if your previous employer is ethical and acted in good faith while doing labor substitution, giving such undertaking is far reaching and not required, for one reason labor certification legally belongs to your employer and not to the underlying employee, so getting such letter is a merely a chance. I guess in your case you've disclosed too many information about you past legal route causing concern for the new employer to hire you. Try to talk to HR and see that you're responsible for maintaining the employment authorization, but if you're taking H1B transfer just confine to H1B transfer, hire your own separate attorney to manage your I 485, as it belongs to you.
Good Luck
HTH
kris
My Profile
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GC approved in Aug 2008 without RFE, used AC 21 once, worked for my sponsor for 4 year, including 3 years after filing I 485, notified USCIS promptly when I ported my Job(confident that my new job profile and previous one are the same)
I have a situation,
I joined employer A and substituted labor with 2004 priority date. And it has been approved already, my understanding is labor substitution is nothing but filing I 140 but with some one else labor.
My current situation is, I got a perm job and have approached company attorney and she saying / asking, since this is labor substitution case, so, I need to have letter from employer �A� saying that labor used for me was initially filed for person X and he later left the company. Hence that has been used for me.
This is required to prove that there is no fraud happened while filing my case.
As you all know, in this current situation, I can not go back and ask employer �A� about that letter.
Any suggestions etc please provide.
Just to remember
REQUEST A SET OF COPIES WHEN EVER ATTORNEY FILING / FOLLOW UP ANY RFE etc FOR YOU. IRRESPECTIVE WHETHER YOU PAY OR COMPLANY PAYS GC FEES
Thanks,
Are you trying to port your job and join the potential new employer using EAD or transfer H1B visa?, I am surprised an immigration attorney is asking for such letter, labor substitution is/was always done in good faith in most cases, but there is no way to prove a fraud is involved unless the labor was filed using a non-existent person( if you remember the convicted guy Nick Mandelapa which ultimately lead to closing the abuse of labor substitution).Even if your previous employer is ethical and acted in good faith while doing labor substitution, giving such undertaking is far reaching and not required, for one reason labor certification legally belongs to your employer and not to the underlying employee, so getting such letter is a merely a chance. I guess in your case you've disclosed too many information about you past legal route causing concern for the new employer to hire you. Try to talk to HR and see that you're responsible for maintaining the employment authorization, but if you're taking H1B transfer just confine to H1B transfer, hire your own separate attorney to manage your I 485, as it belongs to you.
Good Luck
HTH
kris
My Profile
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GC approved in Aug 2008 without RFE, used AC 21 once, worked for my sponsor for 4 year, including 3 years after filing I 485, notified USCIS promptly when I ported my Job(confident that my new job profile and previous one are the same)
bo12b
11-24 02:00 PM
Anyone??
bo12b
Hello all,
My 6 year H1B is ending on May 21, 2009. I am eligible to file for a 3 year extension since my 140 is approved and I485 has been filed in Aug 2007. However, my current job situation is pretty shaky and I could be laid off anytime. I have an EAD but would like to continue my H1 because my priority date is Jan 2007 (EB3 India)...i.e. a long GC wait. I have been told by my current employer's attorney that I can start the process of extension 6 months prior to current H1B expiring.
But given my job situation, I was thinking of looking for employment with another employer as soon as possible. Will the new employer be able to file for my H1 transfer AND H1 extension at the same time?
OR
Will they have to file for a transfer first (valid from date of switching to May 21, 2009), then wait for approval and then file for the 3 year extension??
I tried looking around for my question but could not find good thread for answer. Please let me know your views and/or point me to a good source for this information.
Thanks
Bo12b
bo12b
Hello all,
My 6 year H1B is ending on May 21, 2009. I am eligible to file for a 3 year extension since my 140 is approved and I485 has been filed in Aug 2007. However, my current job situation is pretty shaky and I could be laid off anytime. I have an EAD but would like to continue my H1 because my priority date is Jan 2007 (EB3 India)...i.e. a long GC wait. I have been told by my current employer's attorney that I can start the process of extension 6 months prior to current H1B expiring.
But given my job situation, I was thinking of looking for employment with another employer as soon as possible. Will the new employer be able to file for my H1 transfer AND H1 extension at the same time?
OR
Will they have to file for a transfer first (valid from date of switching to May 21, 2009), then wait for approval and then file for the 3 year extension??
I tried looking around for my question but could not find good thread for answer. Please let me know your views and/or point me to a good source for this information.
Thanks
Bo12b
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gettinthere
01-08 11:37 AM
Thanks for the confirmation!
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ponnuswamyp
06-30 07:31 PM
1) did it myself..
2) yep i changed address, no rfes for anything..
Eb3Retro, Did you sign G-28 initially for your (previous employer's) attorney to represent? if so how did you change the representation?
2) yep i changed address, no rfes for anything..
Eb3Retro, Did you sign G-28 initially for your (previous employer's) attorney to represent? if so how did you change the representation?
jjava100
01-28 11:56 AM
Congrats!!
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gcnotfiledyet
02-24 04:35 PM
i have given blood probably 10-12 times.
Red Cross may not have taken you blood for other reasons not because you are an immigrant , one major reason to deny blood donation is travel
outside US to a country that still has widesspread malaria.
India and most Southeast asian coutries among such countries is one such issues.
Please dont spread incorrect information.
I have volunteered in sports event, donated blood, build houses as volunteer and have been part of volunteer trail maintainance.....and i am an immigrant.
This country is one of the most independent and free countries on face of earth.
Texcan,
There are lot of places which will not take blood if you have not stayed here for 5years. It generally takes 5years for any antigens to get out of system. So some places have rule of thumb for 5years. Now when you are immigrant from India, it is taken for granted to question your length of stay.
There are lot of places which will accept blood from everybody for lack of donors and do their own screenings. It depends on funding/urgent need. I am sure there was no intention of denial based on immigration status/race.
Red Cross may not have taken you blood for other reasons not because you are an immigrant , one major reason to deny blood donation is travel
outside US to a country that still has widesspread malaria.
India and most Southeast asian coutries among such countries is one such issues.
Please dont spread incorrect information.
I have volunteered in sports event, donated blood, build houses as volunteer and have been part of volunteer trail maintainance.....and i am an immigrant.
This country is one of the most independent and free countries on face of earth.
Texcan,
There are lot of places which will not take blood if you have not stayed here for 5years. It generally takes 5years for any antigens to get out of system. So some places have rule of thumb for 5years. Now when you are immigrant from India, it is taken for granted to question your length of stay.
There are lot of places which will accept blood from everybody for lack of donors and do their own screenings. It depends on funding/urgent need. I am sure there was no intention of denial based on immigration status/race.
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freddy22
04-25 02:46 PM
SURE I WILL GO BACK NO PROBLEM AND TAKE ALL THE MONEY I EARNED WHILE LIVING HERE.......OH BTW I am a AMERICAN CITIZEN...LOL !
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JoeSixpack
09-04 01:53 AM
Thanks man, I really appriciate that. I was feeling pretty lost there for a while, so any insight would be a big help.
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yestogc
06-09 12:33 PM
I second your thought khodalmd, ............... when there is no country cap on H1B , why on GC then, this creates more backlog
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ecruiser
08-30 11:40 AM
Totally agree with boreal. Also, the category that you qualify for depends upon the requirements of the job and not your qualifications. For example if the minimum requirements of the job is BS with little or no experience, you would be in an EB3 category, irrespective of whether you have a MS or a PhD.
When you are applying for the PERM, who decides the requirements? Your employer who sponsors you, or the job itself?
Be wise. When we talk about whether we use MS+2 or BS+5, it doesn't mean we tailor the requirements. It's the issue of which is more important, the academic studies or the working experience.
When you are applying for the PERM, who decides the requirements? Your employer who sponsors you, or the job itself?
Be wise. When we talk about whether we use MS+2 or BS+5, it doesn't mean we tailor the requirements. It's the issue of which is more important, the academic studies or the working experience.
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roseball
11-26 05:28 PM
Today when I looked the I-485 status I found the status changed to card production ordered. I'm traveling to India on 1st Dec (coming saturday). It is a business trip and I'm unable to postpone it. My attorney says If I travel now, they will consider the GC abandoned. Is this true?? I have an approve AP with me. I also planned to stamp my H1B visa in India. What a confusion!
Gurus please give your thoughts.
Anil
As far as I know, if you re-enter using AP, you should just be fine..I would not get the H1B stamp and enter on H1....
Gurus please give your thoughts.
Anil
As far as I know, if you re-enter using AP, you should just be fine..I would not get the H1B stamp and enter on H1....
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arindamb
03-25 08:44 PM
I feel "related" might be the key word that can cause discomfort for a lot of people. How does one determine that ones job is related to his/her degree ? This might finally be left upto the discretion of the USCIS.
One might have studied electrical engineering and then get in a job writing embedded systems software. Will that be a related job ?
One might have an MS in Biological sciences but might be writing software for genetics. Is that a related job ? The list can go on.
How far can one digress from ones degree major to still be considered related.
I presume we might see a lot of confusion regarding STEM if the whole thing is made into a law.
One might have studied electrical engineering and then get in a job writing embedded systems software. Will that be a related job ?
One might have an MS in Biological sciences but might be writing software for genetics. Is that a related job ? The list can go on.
How far can one digress from ones degree major to still be considered related.
I presume we might see a lot of confusion regarding STEM if the whole thing is made into a law.
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Anders �stberg
July 18th, 2004, 12:20 PM
I think I already have for birds. ;)
:p Well, then I should too.
:o Please accept my apologies for saturating this forum with my bird pictures.
:cool: I'm not likely to stop though.
:( Unless Steve tells me to.
:confused: Anyone know what the faces mean?
:rolleyes: This one is particular.
:)
:p Well, then I should too.
:o Please accept my apologies for saturating this forum with my bird pictures.
:cool: I'm not likely to stop though.
:( Unless Steve tells me to.
:confused: Anyone know what the faces mean?
:rolleyes: This one is particular.
:)
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humdesi
05-31 10:37 PM
In this case the guy is a software engineer. The consulting company is willing to show that he is a manager.
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pmamp
02-26 04:14 PM
can she accept fellowship on H4?
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sku
02-25 01:53 PM
This is the News Letter That I got from my attorney.
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TARP Restricts H-1B Hiring for Funds Recipients
The Troubled Assets Relief Program (TARP) recently signed into law by President Obama places strict limits on recipients of funds or certain Federal Reserve loans that want to hire high-skilled workers under the H-1B visa program for a period of two years. TARP fund recipients include certain financial institutions as well as infrastructure, energy, and automobile companies. The bill subjects recipients of TARP funds to the same rules that an "H-1B dependent" employer must follow when it sponsors a new H-1B worker. (An H-1B dependent employer is one that has 15% or more H-1B workers in the employer's total full-time workforce.) These rules include:
� The employer cannot displace any similarly-employed U.S. worker with an H-1B worker within 90 days before or after applying for H-1B status for a new employee.
� The employer cannot place any H-1B worker at an outside worksite unless that employer first makes a "bona fide" inquiry as to whether the other employer has displaced or will displace a U.S. worker within 90 days before or after the placement of the H-1B worker.
� The employer has to take good faith steps to recruit U.S. workers for the job opening, at wages at least equal to those offered to the H-1B worker. The employer must offer the job to any U.S. worker who applies and is equally or better qualified than the H-1B worker.
TARP contains provisions that may effectively limit recipients of TARP funds and Federal Reserve loans from sponsoring new H-1B workers. While H-1B dependency rules do not normally apply to H-1B workers earning at least $60,000 annually or possessing a Master's degree, these exemptions are not available to the TARP/Federal Reserve loan recipients.
The exact language of the bill states that the above requirements apply to "new employees" sponsored for H-1B status. While additional guidance may be issued from the Department of Labor, the plain language of the bill suggests that a company filing an H-1B petition on behalf of a current employee who is working with the company under F-1 Optional Practical Training, TN status, or some other work visa, should not be subject to the "H-1B dependent" rules. Similarly, the additional restrictions should not apply to petitions for extension of H-1B status for a current employee. However, an employer filing an H-1B change of employer petition for a new employee likely would be subject to these requirements.
The House-Senate Conference Committee removed a provision from the stimulus proposal that would have required recipients of TARP funds to enroll and participate in the E-Verify online employment eligibility verification program, as well as a provision that would have renewed the currently voluntary E-Verify program for an additional five years. E-Verify is currently set to expire in March 2009.
Effective Date of New Form I-9 Delayed Until April 3, 2009
The Department of Homeland Security (DHS) is extending the effective date of its new Form I-9 from February 2, 2009 to April 3, 2009. The new Form I-9 updates the list of documents acceptable for employment eligibility verification. The temporary extension will provide DHS with an opportunity for further consideration of this rule. DHS also is extending the comment period for this rule for 30 days.
Rising Unemployment May Affect PERM Processing
In a recent meeting between the Department of Labor (DOL) and representatives of the American Immigration Lawyers Association, DOL stated that rising unemployment may affect the processing of certain PERM labor certification applications. DOL is trying to integrate labor market information from various sources, such as WARN Act notices, to determine the availability of U.S. workers in areas affected by significant layoffs. DOL cited the position of Financial Analyst located in New York City as an example of a particular occupation and location where there might be qualified U.S. workers available due to recent financial industry layoffs. DOL may require employers sponsoring PERM applications for such positions to undergo "supervised recruitment" in cases where the available data indicates that there may be available U.S. workers.
Supervised recruitment is a variation of the standard PERM procedure by which applicants for a position that is the subject of a PERM application submit their resumes directly to the DOL for initial review by DOL staff. The DOL forwards to employers the resumes of applicants that it deems qualified for the position. Employers are required to interview the applicants forwarded by DOL to determine whether the applicants are in fact qualified. To date, when DOL has issued supervised recruitment notices, more than half the cases have been withdrawn by the employer.
E-Verify Start Date for Federal Contractors Extended
U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services (USCIS) announced that Federal contractors and subcontractors can delay implementation of the use of the Department of Homeland Security's ("DHS") E-Verify system. E-Verify is a government run on-line system that combines DHS data with records from the Social Security Administration to determine whether a new hire is eligible to work in the U.S. The final rule was to have become effective on January 15, 2009, but now will not take effect until May 21, 2009. Once effective, E-Verify will become mandatory for federal contractors with projects exceeding $100,000 and for sub-contractors with projects exceeding $3,000. Contracts for less than $100,000 or for commercially available off-the-shelf items are exempt from this rule. Once E-Verify becomes effective on May 21, 2009, companies awarded a contract with the federal government will be required to enroll in E-Verify within 30 days of the contract award date. They will also need to begin using the E-Verify system to confirm that all of their new hires and their employees directly working on federal contracts are authorized to legally work in the United States
US VISIT Expanded to Include Lawful Permanent Residents
The Department of Homeland Security (DHS) recently published a rule expanding the population of foreign nationals subject to the United States Visitor and Immigrant Status Indicator Technology Program ("US-VISIT") to include U.S. permanent residents. US-VISIT will apply to all permanent residents entering or exiting from an air or seaport. Permanent residents entering through land ports of entry, however, will be required to provide fingerprints only if they are referred to secondary inspection.
Under US-VISIT, foreign nationals entering the United States provide "biometrics" (fingerprints scan and digital photograph) when passing through U.S. immigration. The biometric information collected upon entry is compared to the information collected at the time that the foreign national was originally issued a visa or Permanent Resident Card ("Green Card"). The biometric information is also compared to a criminal records database to confirm that a person is admissible to the United States. Permanent residents with criminal convictions traveling outside of the U.S. should be reminded that they are likely to be detected at entry and they should be prepared to present evidence regarding their admissibility.
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TARP Restricts H-1B Hiring for Funds Recipients
The Troubled Assets Relief Program (TARP) recently signed into law by President Obama places strict limits on recipients of funds or certain Federal Reserve loans that want to hire high-skilled workers under the H-1B visa program for a period of two years. TARP fund recipients include certain financial institutions as well as infrastructure, energy, and automobile companies. The bill subjects recipients of TARP funds to the same rules that an "H-1B dependent" employer must follow when it sponsors a new H-1B worker. (An H-1B dependent employer is one that has 15% or more H-1B workers in the employer's total full-time workforce.) These rules include:
� The employer cannot displace any similarly-employed U.S. worker with an H-1B worker within 90 days before or after applying for H-1B status for a new employee.
� The employer cannot place any H-1B worker at an outside worksite unless that employer first makes a "bona fide" inquiry as to whether the other employer has displaced or will displace a U.S. worker within 90 days before or after the placement of the H-1B worker.
� The employer has to take good faith steps to recruit U.S. workers for the job opening, at wages at least equal to those offered to the H-1B worker. The employer must offer the job to any U.S. worker who applies and is equally or better qualified than the H-1B worker.
TARP contains provisions that may effectively limit recipients of TARP funds and Federal Reserve loans from sponsoring new H-1B workers. While H-1B dependency rules do not normally apply to H-1B workers earning at least $60,000 annually or possessing a Master's degree, these exemptions are not available to the TARP/Federal Reserve loan recipients.
The exact language of the bill states that the above requirements apply to "new employees" sponsored for H-1B status. While additional guidance may be issued from the Department of Labor, the plain language of the bill suggests that a company filing an H-1B petition on behalf of a current employee who is working with the company under F-1 Optional Practical Training, TN status, or some other work visa, should not be subject to the "H-1B dependent" rules. Similarly, the additional restrictions should not apply to petitions for extension of H-1B status for a current employee. However, an employer filing an H-1B change of employer petition for a new employee likely would be subject to these requirements.
The House-Senate Conference Committee removed a provision from the stimulus proposal that would have required recipients of TARP funds to enroll and participate in the E-Verify online employment eligibility verification program, as well as a provision that would have renewed the currently voluntary E-Verify program for an additional five years. E-Verify is currently set to expire in March 2009.
Effective Date of New Form I-9 Delayed Until April 3, 2009
The Department of Homeland Security (DHS) is extending the effective date of its new Form I-9 from February 2, 2009 to April 3, 2009. The new Form I-9 updates the list of documents acceptable for employment eligibility verification. The temporary extension will provide DHS with an opportunity for further consideration of this rule. DHS also is extending the comment period for this rule for 30 days.
Rising Unemployment May Affect PERM Processing
In a recent meeting between the Department of Labor (DOL) and representatives of the American Immigration Lawyers Association, DOL stated that rising unemployment may affect the processing of certain PERM labor certification applications. DOL is trying to integrate labor market information from various sources, such as WARN Act notices, to determine the availability of U.S. workers in areas affected by significant layoffs. DOL cited the position of Financial Analyst located in New York City as an example of a particular occupation and location where there might be qualified U.S. workers available due to recent financial industry layoffs. DOL may require employers sponsoring PERM applications for such positions to undergo "supervised recruitment" in cases where the available data indicates that there may be available U.S. workers.
Supervised recruitment is a variation of the standard PERM procedure by which applicants for a position that is the subject of a PERM application submit their resumes directly to the DOL for initial review by DOL staff. The DOL forwards to employers the resumes of applicants that it deems qualified for the position. Employers are required to interview the applicants forwarded by DOL to determine whether the applicants are in fact qualified. To date, when DOL has issued supervised recruitment notices, more than half the cases have been withdrawn by the employer.
E-Verify Start Date for Federal Contractors Extended
U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services (USCIS) announced that Federal contractors and subcontractors can delay implementation of the use of the Department of Homeland Security's ("DHS") E-Verify system. E-Verify is a government run on-line system that combines DHS data with records from the Social Security Administration to determine whether a new hire is eligible to work in the U.S. The final rule was to have become effective on January 15, 2009, but now will not take effect until May 21, 2009. Once effective, E-Verify will become mandatory for federal contractors with projects exceeding $100,000 and for sub-contractors with projects exceeding $3,000. Contracts for less than $100,000 or for commercially available off-the-shelf items are exempt from this rule. Once E-Verify becomes effective on May 21, 2009, companies awarded a contract with the federal government will be required to enroll in E-Verify within 30 days of the contract award date. They will also need to begin using the E-Verify system to confirm that all of their new hires and their employees directly working on federal contracts are authorized to legally work in the United States
US VISIT Expanded to Include Lawful Permanent Residents
The Department of Homeland Security (DHS) recently published a rule expanding the population of foreign nationals subject to the United States Visitor and Immigrant Status Indicator Technology Program ("US-VISIT") to include U.S. permanent residents. US-VISIT will apply to all permanent residents entering or exiting from an air or seaport. Permanent residents entering through land ports of entry, however, will be required to provide fingerprints only if they are referred to secondary inspection.
Under US-VISIT, foreign nationals entering the United States provide "biometrics" (fingerprints scan and digital photograph) when passing through U.S. immigration. The biometric information collected upon entry is compared to the information collected at the time that the foreign national was originally issued a visa or Permanent Resident Card ("Green Card"). The biometric information is also compared to a criminal records database to confirm that a person is admissible to the United States. Permanent residents with criminal convictions traveling outside of the U.S. should be reminded that they are likely to be detected at entry and they should be prepared to present evidence regarding their admissibility.
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Prasad_FL
08-02 11:33 PM
Chennai consulate would take 1 or 2 days for processing. You can send an email to them or talk to VFS and request if they can re-schedule it for earlier date.
Wen you do not have much time, you should not take any chance. Try to reschedule it in Delhi or Bombay.
Chennai consulate took 2 days in 2005.
Delhi consulate took 2 days in 2006.
Wen you do not have much time, you should not take any chance. Try to reschedule it in Delhi or Bombay.
Chennai consulate took 2 days in 2005.
Delhi consulate took 2 days in 2006.
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swamy
11-21 05:32 PM
But I have a lot to be thankful for. Thanks to IV, he has his EAD and can have one less thing to worry about in his new job search.
Sorry to hear that - I think it's a turn for the better! Last time I parted company it wasn't on the best of terms and quite bitter for many reasons but a few years hence it was the best that has happened to me yet
Sorry to hear that - I think it's a turn for the better! Last time I parted company it wasn't on the best of terms and quite bitter for many reasons but a few years hence it was the best that has happened to me yet
jsb
09-07 09:26 AM
Hi:
...
Can someone help me on the procedure how to withdraw my second application and also not lose money from the checks on the second application. ...
Gopi
Are you more worried about losing money, or any other negative repercussions? Money? it is not significant in the overall picture.
Did you say in your second application that you were doing so because your checks on original application may be bad?
In any case, USCIS system should not allow to accept an application the second time.
...
Can someone help me on the procedure how to withdraw my second application and also not lose money from the checks on the second application. ...
Gopi
Are you more worried about losing money, or any other negative repercussions? Money? it is not significant in the overall picture.
Did you say in your second application that you were doing so because your checks on original application may be bad?
In any case, USCIS system should not allow to accept an application the second time.
smuggymba
05-11 04:34 PM
OP is busy, International Manager got a call from her TCS Manager.
Please don't insult OP by calling her Intl Manager - they are called "Global Program Manager" and "Executive Engagement Manager". These companies are coming up with new fancy names for these PM's with 70K salary, 6 yrs of experience and 10 college freshers reporting to them.
Please don't insult OP by calling her Intl Manager - they are called "Global Program Manager" and "Executive Engagement Manager". These companies are coming up with new fancy names for these PM's with 70K salary, 6 yrs of experience and 10 college freshers reporting to them.
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